That election thing
#1
06-05-2015, 07:23 PM
So is everyone voting, or not bothered?

What the situation where you live? Safe seat or marginal? Likely to change hands this time?

Could go into who you're going to vote for, but that may cause arguments, so I'll leave that up to you. Wink
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#2
06-05-2015, 07:29 PM
I will most definitely be voting tomorrow. Conservatives won this seat last time out from Labour, who are hoping to gain it back. Couldn't possibly tell you who is going to win this seat, I think it is classed as a marginal.
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#3
06-05-2015, 07:30 PM
I'll vote (people have died to give us the democratic right to vote so it would be a shame if I didn't exercise that right) but it's all bollocks over here in Norn Iron. Religion and politics is a dangerous mix. No doubt the Unionist parties will set a high price for their Westminster seats once the inevitable hung parliament occurs on Friday.

Regarding mainstream politics I really hope that Labour do not get in. Sorry if that offends our socialist viewers.
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#4
06-05-2015, 07:46 PM
Fwiw, I live in Brighton Pavilion. We have the Green MP, Caroline Lucas.

She's expected to be re-elected with an increased margin. If she doesn't win, it will go to Labour.
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#5
06-05-2015, 07:54 PM
(06-05-2015, 07:30 PM)juvehero Wrote: I'll vote (people have died to give us the democratic right to vote so it would be a shame if I didn't exercise that right) but it's all bollocks over here in Norn Iron. Religion and politics is a dangerous mix. No doubt the Unionist parties will set a high price for their Westminster seats once the inevitable hung parliament occurs on Friday.

Regarding mainstream politics I really hope that Labour do not get in. Sorry if that offends our socialist viewers.

Why's that Chris? Would you rather a Conservative Government again?

Just curious
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#6
06-05-2015, 08:13 PM
Safe Labour seat but will be voting (for the incumbent) regardless.
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#7
06-05-2015, 08:13 PM
Oh, and Labour haven't been socialist for years.
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#8
06-05-2015, 08:22 PM
I guess I've always leaned more towards a capitalist outlook rather than a socialist viewpoint.

My comment above was based on the current economy. I think the Conservatives are taking the economy in the right direction. I'm better off financially under the Tories and I would vote for them to reflect that. I know a lot of people aren't better off but I guess that is the capitalist in me coming out. I don't think that Labour can be trusted not to preside over another economic disaster like they did in 2008.
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#9
06-05-2015, 08:57 PM
Labour may have been in power at the time of the economic crash, but was it really their fault? The root cause was problems in America, after all.

Anyway, I'm just going to leave this here and walk away.....

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#10
06-05-2015, 09:26 PM
Interesting article. I'm sure there's a piece with jazzy graphs somewhere on t'internet that would counter argue it.

I'd vote for the party that has (marginally) improved my standard of living over the last 5 years. That party is Tory. Living in Norn Iron it's all immaterial anyhoo.

I'll walk away now too and wish everyone well who exercises their democratic right tomorrow. Except UKIP voters.
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#11
06-05-2015, 09:30 PM
(06-05-2015, 09:26 PM)juvehero Wrote: I'll walk away now too and wish everyone well who exercises their democratic right tomorrow. Except UKIP voters.

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(15-02-2018, 10:50 PM)Rodderas Wrote: Maybe this upset the team? Fucked if I know.



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#12
06-05-2015, 09:32 PM
(06-05-2015, 09:26 PM)juvehero Wrote: Interesting article. I'm sure there's a piece with jazzy graphs somewhere on t'internet that would counter argue it.

I'd vote for the party that has (marginally) improved my standard of living over the last 5 years. That party is Tory.  Living in Norn Iron it's all immaterial anyhoo.

I'll walk away now too and wish everyone well who exercises their democratic right tomorrow. Except UKIP voters.

I'll agree on the part about UKIP voters.
Went outside at work today for a vape and some contractors van was parked outside with a big UKIP poster in the passenger door window. Was so tempted to just smash it to pieces.
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#13
06-05-2015, 10:34 PM
We'll be voting in the UK for the first time tomorrow. All we get to vote for is the local ward though, as we're bloody foreigners.

Thanks for not voting UKIP though, we'd like to stay please!
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#14
06-05-2015, 10:41 PM (This post was last modified: 06-05-2015, 10:52 PM by Soulfusion.)
The Forest of Dean is currently held by the Tories which has always surprised me because of the local economic depravation having a lot in common with old South Wales mining towns. The incumbent, Mark Harper, was an immigration minister caught out for employing an illegal and who also led a campaign in government to sell off public forest which, to my mind, does not make him a particularly good constituency MP. I had his canvasser's knocking on the door at the weekend and none of them seemed aware of local issues! There are not a lot of Tory posters about this time around and I have a sneaking feeling it is a seat that will change hands.

It should be a safe Labour seat but there is large local support for UKIP. Due to a lack of sizeable businesses locally there is a high proportion of self employed one man band operations that have previously supported the Conservatives but who have been drifting to UKIP of late.

EDIT Just to confirm that not all of South Wales votes Labour I was in Monmouth on Tuesday and one of the Bookies in town was offering 1-66 (yes £66 to win a quid!) on the Tory incumbent, David Davies, to retain his seat.

Should be an interesting night here tomorrow, and yes I shall be casting my vote.
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#15
07-05-2015, 12:36 AM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2015, 12:39 AM by dudek118.)
Have to say, unashamedly to be honest, that tomorrow ill be voting for UKIP. Purely because they tick the most of my boxes.

DISCLAIMER BEFORE YOU READ ON: As with all parties, they're are plenty i disagree with when it comes to UKIP as you'll read...

It's not because i'm a mad UKIP follower, i'm not and have never voted for them before (or anyone before, my first election), but i've decided this year i'll vote for whoever policies I agree with most - and that's marginally UKIP pipping Labour. I find UKIP to blame more or less EVERYTHING on immigration (which of course isn't true and makes them less credible), but the be all and end all of it is that they are the only party that want to adopt a 'Australian Points Style' immigration policy and that's something I feel this country would benefit from. They want to maintain and increase spending on defense which in an increasingly volatile world I think is vital. I also disagree with 'Health Tourism' to the extent that people DO come to this country to receive free, non-vital treatment. They pledge to also remove tuition fee's for particular subjects, favor brownfield site building, end zero hour contracts and scrap HS2, points I agree with also.

UKIP would never get a full majority - ever - to be honest I wouldn't want them too either, but if they had a few seats in parliament I think it'd be beneficial for the reasons listed. The 'racism' stigma is quite unjustified in my opinion and has been fueled by the opposing parties.

My prediction for the election itself - Conservatives remain in the majority of the power with some sort of coalition.
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#16
07-05-2015, 01:00 AM
Care to elaborate on the Australian points style immigration system?

Not going to enter into the politics of UKIP/non but I'm interested to hear why our migration system is attractive, and what parts of it you would like to see in the UK - hopefully not the part that involves locking people up in camps and placing hilarious advertisements about the dangers of crossing the sea to Australia illegally in the middle of Iraqi and Afghanistani towns that are near-warzones from time to time.

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#17
07-05-2015, 01:16 AM
I think it's the part that involves making it almost impossible for anyone to move to Australia, even if they would earn money and contribute to society, unless they happen work in certain chosen industries and/or have plenty of cash in the bank.
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#18
07-05-2015, 03:11 AM
As a first/second generation Australian migrant, who immigrated here while I was a toddler with my parents, who flew here on a Qantas Boeing 747 with nothing else but a few suitcases of clothing, who's parents worked hard all their life, put three son's through university and we all are productive members of Australian society, I can see why the Australian points style immigration system is attractive.

It allows you to cherry pick the wealthy Significant Investor migrants who come here to get residency by having AU$5M to "invest" in Australia for 4 years which can include just buying AU$5M in Australian Government Bonds. Where you only have to physically be in Australia for 40 days a year, so you can continue to run your overseas business interest but then allow you to have your kids here to get a good education (usually High School and then University subsidised at public expense) before they return "home" to work in the family business. It also then allows you to plan to retire here in Australia to take advantage of the better medical and social support systems (again subsided at public expense) that may not be available in your other residential country. I can see how that system will work well with UKIP's core philosophy.

The Aussie Immigration system also allows us to demonstrate how tough we are by ensuring that we "Stop The Boats" from being reported in the media. By declaring the border "security" arrangements to be military operations and therefore "the public do not need to know" about "on water operational details". As a result the Government can say "Mission Accomplished" with no public scrutiny of what is actually happening on the ocean. It is much more messy when you have refugees drown at sea if it is reported in the media.

So why is "Stop The Boats" is important? Because you would not want boat people who are just economic refugees and have criminal convictions from just being able to turn up in your country, make themselves at home and take advantage of what the best country in the world has to offer. Australians should choose who comes to this country and by what means they arrive. I just wish we had started the "Stop The Boats" campaign 227 years ago when the first 11 ships of illegal economic refugees with criminal records first turned up. Australia would be a better place Wink

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Over the short 22 years that I have been eligible to vote, the one thing I have learnt is that politicians (of all persuasions) cannot be trusted, whatever they promise you before the election is not necessarily what they will deliver you in government. So look past what they say during the election campaign, look at what they believe and their values then decide if those values line up with your own. Just remember on 31 July 1932, the 37% German people voted the Nazi Party into power.

Good luck with the election. Just remember that many Commonwealth and Allied servicemen and women sacrificed their lives to defend your right to free and fair democratic elections. Do not waste this sacrifice.
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#19
07-05-2015, 08:51 AM
(07-05-2015, 12:36 AM)dudek118 Wrote: Have to say, unashamedly to be honest, that tomorrow ill be voting for UKIP. Purely because they tick the most of my boxes.

To be fair, they do tick a few of my boxes as well. However, if a party has a point with which I fundamentally disagree, then even ticking all other boxes won't be enough.

Good for you to actually look further than just the thing that gets pointed out most though. But I'm afraid that quite a few people voting UKIP don't really know much about the rest of their parties standpoints (whether they agree with them or not).
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#20
07-05-2015, 10:30 AM
Brother in law voted for the BNP in the last election, blissfully unaware that if they won the election his wife and possibly his kids would have been on the deportation list. He'll be voting UKIP this time because Labour have never done anything for him (NHS doesn't count apparently), the Liberals have no policies and the Tories can't be trusted. He has no idea what any of UKIPs policies are he just likes the fact that Farage says the things he wants to hear.
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